Posts by Bill Covert

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jehober "always'" protects his 'loyal servants'?

by eyeuse2badub in

last week i watched the docuseries on prime video called “the last narc”.

it was mainly about the notorious mexican guadalajara drug cartel during the 70’s and 80’s and a united states dea agent, kiki camerena, who was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in guadalajara, mexico in 1984. this is a very well-known and haunting event here in the usa.. however, there was also about a 7-8 minute segment during the docuseries that graphically detailed the kidnapping, rape, and murder of 4 jehovah’s witnesses that also took place just days before kiki camerena was taken.

the jw’s were 2 married couples, us citizens, dennis and rose carlson, ben and pat mascarenas.

Bill Covert

Dennis and Rose were my neighbors. I was the first person to be notified by sheriff's office as they went to last known address when notified by US State Dept..

There was a piece in local paper at the outset of the "El Chapo trial" that indicated that the rapes and murders of Rose, Pat and Dennis and Ben could be part of the trial, in that El Chapo did the raping and killing. But that was never brought up.

If you are in a situation where you need to hide money place it in your box of Kotex. That is where Dennis's dad found it even though the place had been searched by police several times. I believe the dad got beaten by the chief of police. Later the chief of police was in the news for his connection with the drug lord.

My ex is good friends with Dennis's brother family. I have been completely shut out of any info from inside the church wall of silence so been cut off from interactions. But their lives are not in great shape.

1984 was a major year for me as it was the first occasion I saw in print that the church was back peddling on Matt.24:34 when they said "we would be preaching to the sons and daughter of those sighing and groaning in Ezk. 9:4". It was also the start of the "obedience to the organization mantra", which brought to reality Judge Rutherford's religion being a "snare" in that the judicial process was hijacked from being at protectorate of the flock to being an instrument to control dissent. That was also the start of Rutherford's religion being a "racket" as the church conspired to violate Federal Banking laws in an effort to create cash flow by means of interest paying building loans for "two day Kingdom Halls". But that is just part of my soap box on this site as to the Sept. 1 1987 Wt article "A Time to Speak When?" uniquely being the only church policy fabricated from a deception.

So 1984, Dennis, Rose, Ben and Pat lives under go sheer horror and the church starts its journey down the Splain explanation of the "master delaying" of Matt.24:34 . Gives real meaning to the term "wicked and evil slave" Matt.24: 48.

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Belgium: Jehovah's Witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on February 16.

by yalbmert99 in

belgium: jehovah's witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on february 16.. https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200915_93224449.

Bill Covert

In 2013 the world wide convention, a main talk entitled "Human Apostates" was identified as hate speech. Posted on this site 7-28-2013 under heading "WTS in trouble in Denmark" head of the "Documentation and Advisory Centre on Racial Discrimination" [DRC] Niels-Erik Hansen put in newspaper that such attacks on 'apostate' was in violation of article 266b of the Danish Criminal Code. He stated that article was specifically instituted because of how Hitler treated Jews in the 1930's. Evidently it stung the church as they turned down their rhetoric.

The point being, evidently human rights issues are taken more serious in Europe due to the abuses of the Nazis. So perhaps we may want to pay more than usual attention as to the outcome of this court case.

I well remember that talk as I was the "apostate" they specifically refed to who instituted a new tactic "writing letters to the homes of publishers". It works good as a letter to the homes plugs into the internal grape vine. There one can mind fuck the elders. It pisses off the Service Dept. as they have to figure out how to handle; a elder masturbating on nude beach, a elder who did dirt to a single black mom by collecting $6,000 of city relocation money as his rental was taken over for a park, and as he managed the rentals he did improvements on the sisters rental, but when moving day happened he kicked out the sister and moved in himself. The third was the best as the Service Dept. had to handle the P.O. who kept concealed his step son elder had a gun shoved down his throat in Mexico because he was trying to cheat his business partner a younger Mexican out of his half of their business in Mexico, he came back with a severe case of post traumatic stress syndrome. And the Service Dept. had to do it in such a way as to conceal that a "apostate" was pulling their strings.

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William Miller

by lepavoux in

" this is the man who made it all happen" type this in.. this is how the watchtower organization began!

!.

Bill Covert

Was it not on this site that there was a Canadian historian who took the position that Russel was influenced more from the "Plymouth Brethren" than Miller? Not a major point but it was an interesting presentation he made.

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Bewildering Background revealing who stopped slavery in the world

by Terry in

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bewildering background.

even among the greatest religious thinkers and moral philosophers of civilizations around the world for 1000’s of years slavery was not considered a moral issue.. only one civilization developed a “moral revulsion” against it very late in its history:western civilization.. abraham lincoln said:if slavery is not considered wrong; nothing can be considered as wrong.. but why did not even the leading moralists among other nations and civilizations reject slavery at all?.

there is no evidence that slavery came under attack in any other part of the world before the 18th century.

Bill Covert

Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Justice Clarence Thomas, all three expound on the exact same theme as to the dismal state of race relations to day, the liberal "Great Society" of Lynden Johnson. They take the position that the civil rights legislation was much needed but they all three take the position that the welfare system introduced in the "Great Society" part was the bed rock for todays inability for young blacks to lead productive lives [not much different for young whites].

Sowell and Williams both said there is only one other POTUS they refused besides Trump to watch on TV which was Obama.

PBS had a special on Justice Thomas and I got to YouTubing Sowell [i enjoyed his column several years ago in local paper] and Williams. I learned a lot.

Probably old hat for this site but for any not familure of the history of the hymn "Amazing Grace" it is a interesting read.

Good post.

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Court confirms:--Severe Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses is Justified!

by Atlantis in

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court confirms: severe criticism of jehovah's witnesses is justified!.

https://docdro.id/axa555i.

petra!.

Bill Covert

I wish to thank you from the bottom my heart. That is very important material for my 30 year project in Redding Calif.. I have been waiting for the courthouses to open so Zalkin Law Firm will be able to file the law suites from the 2020 Calif., New York, New Jersey giving victims a year window of removing statute of limitations. That will have a major impact on my Redding project. But this is tremendous.

Thanks big time!

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Letter writing question

by carla in

so the jw's are no longer goind d2d but instead are writing letters- my question is what return address are they putting on the letters?

their own or the kh?

the kh's in our area have no mailbox and therefore no mail can be delivered or returned to a kh.. thanks in advance!.

Bill Covert

I use a Kingdom Hall address.

In the 2013 convention discourse "Human Apostates" they talk about a new tactic of apostates writing local publishers homes, I am that guy. Since 2004 I have written several hundred letters to the homes of publishers for the purpose of penetrating the internal church grape vine so as to do a end around on the church shunning policy. Every letter deals with a $4.250M unregistered securities swindle and how it connects to the 1987 Wt article "A Time to Speak When?" commentary on Lev.5:1 [see Barbara Anderson article "Flawed Decrees Conceal Criminals"].

It works good. Next letter is waiting for court houses to open for Zalkin Law Firm to file molestation law suites to make it into media. Some local elders whom have connection to the $4.250M fraud are going to have some bad days. There has been a 30 year contest between myself and WTB&TS Service Dept. as to who is the better mind fucker [crazy it has been 30 years].

The sad part it is these letters that is the only way I can communicate with my sons.

For me the importance of this site is to be able to confound the publishers that I know the breaking issues before they hear them at the Hall.

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Unique Words and Expressions Of Jehovah’s Witnesses

by minimus in

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system of things comes to mind.

what does that mean to anyone not a jw?.

how long have you been in the truth?

Bill Covert

"Submarine witness" only comes up for C.O. and D.O. visits and memorial.

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The bitter irony of revolutuions

by Bill Covert in

editorial in local paper by victor davis hansen , a classicist and historian at the hoover institution stanford university.. this is something i think you folks would find interesting.

unfortunately i am computer challenged due to the effectiveness of church shunning policies cutting off access to kids and grandkids educating me.

so if some one would be able to pull up and post the editorial, i think it would be of interest.

Bill Covert

Editorial in local paper by Victor Davis Hansen , a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution Stanford University.

This is something I think you folks would find interesting. Unfortunately I am computer challenged due to the effectiveness of church shunning policies cutting off access to kids and grandkids educating me. So if some one would be able to pull up and post the editorial, I think it would be of interest.

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new situation in world helpful to org?

by Magnum in

sometimes new situations can provide cover for one’s mistakes or intentions.

for example, suppose that i crack the windshield in my dad’s car one night.

i go home, park the car in its usual spot in the yard, and go to bed without telling my dad because i’m scared and i’m trying to think of a way out of the situation.

Bill Covert

Factor in that the virus has closed the court houses. When those court houses are opened there is going to be a huge amount of molestation law suites filed. That is going to real whiplash for the minds of the adherents. To liquidate Kingdom Halls is going to be very traumatic.

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Article "Would You Stand up to an Opressive Regime or Would Conform? Here's the Science"

by Bill Covert in

there is a article on firefox "would you stand up to an oppressive regime or would you conform?

here's the science" taken from "the conversation" by nick chater.

10-9-2019.. perhaps someone with computer skills can copy and post this article on this forum.

Bill Covert

Sir this whole post flew way over your head.

This post specifically deals with a WTB&TS deception that designed a Gestapo policy on setting up a mind control system in which people become informants. To understand the deception, the timing of the deception is a key to understanding that in the 1980's the WTB&TS had ceased being a source of spiritual enlightenment because Matt.24:34 turned out to be a work of Fred Franz fiction. In the first years of the 1980's there was a conspiracy hatched for the necessity of creating a cash flow. Which was the two day Kingdom Hall building program. Today the WTB&TS has a world wide real estate empire financed by interest paying commercial loans which provided funding for their operations while at the same time created a real estate empire as all Kingdom Halls were dedicated to Jehovah, aka the WTB&TS. The other major happing in the 1980's was the mind control of the "Obedience to the Organization mantra" necessary for the fleecing of the flock. Of which the 1987 article "A Time to Speak When?" was an integral part.

It was 7 years ago the 2013 RNWT was released and yet today there are only two people [me & Barbara Anderson] who understand the connection between the revision of Lev.5:1 and the commentary on paragraph 6 of the 1987 Sept.1 Wt. article "A Time to Speak When?" Lloyd Evans could not make the connection in 2013. To understand the deception used to fabricate an apostate informant policy is a major "new light". But more important is the understanding of how it relates to the blood transfusion policy is a major key that has the ability to magnify the importance of the policies on shunning and the two witness rule!

Am I on the wrong site for this kind of research?